Wood fuel, especially charcoal, is associated with deforestation and climate change, but it also has a positive socio-economic impact. In this podcast, we will take you to Africa where wood fuel remains a major source of energy and provides livelihoods for many rural and urban poor households. We talk to Phosiso Sola, a scientist with World Agroforestry (ICRAF), currently focused on researching governance of wood fuel with the aim of developing a sustainable charcoal value chain in African drylands.